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Bert said in October 17th, 2007 at 11:07 am

“TELL ME HOW TO NOT BECOME A RACIST”
By not assuming that everyone with hispanic heritage is the same.
Other areas of the US have the same problems with lower-income african-american, native-american, asian-american and european-american groups. The issue is not one of race, but of education and opportunity. My wife has exactly the same problems with her own (european-ameican AKA white-trash) family. They see no particular value in striving to better themselves so they don’t respect other peoples environment, property or person. This is why our children will never meet these people.
The racist element lies not with recognising that the majority of trouble makers in your town are hispanic, in assuming that ALL hispanics are therefore troublemakers.

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juan said in October 17th, 2007 at 11:41 am

or just go with it.

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DCB said in October 17th, 2007 at 12:03 pm

The way not to be a racist is not to make generalizations about a group and then attribute those judgments to individuals of that group.

If you don’t want your kids hanging out with friends that teach them gang signs, that’s fine. If they get some new friends, and you don’t want them hanging out with them because you *assume* they will be a bad influence because they are *also* Mexican, that’s prejudice.

Judge all you want. Just don’t prejudge.

The criminal element in your town may be traceable to a particular cultural group. That doesn’t mean it’s racial. It doesn’t mean other members of that group do everything the group does.

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pepe said in October 17th, 2007 at 12:05 pm

if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…

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Steph said in October 17th, 2007 at 12:10 pm

As a poor college student, the state pays my health insurance because i make under a certain income.. so it’s not just mexicans..

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Phlod said in October 17th, 2007 at 12:56 pm

I think you hit the nail on the head in the very beginning, tho you didn’t seem to know it. When you said ‘I notice right away that some of the white people look down on the Mexicans…’
Right. My opinion is that this it the source of the problem. The Mexicans never felt at home in their home, so they ganged together, so they could be strong too in the place where they live.
The more they ganged together, the more the two subcultures (Mexicans, and the rest of the town) divereged.
Once one side has no respect or compassion for the other, then the other side must stop showing such to remain in a psudo-dominant position. Since one side is so much in control of the other, the other acts out in the ways they still can and not get caught. Violence, and vandalism are common.

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Jason said in October 17th, 2007 at 1:12 pm

This is a rational issue that any rational person with open eyes will have to struggle with at some point in their lives. I think the answer is to make a distinction between race and culture.

Race is unchangeable. We don’t ask for it. We can’t change it. Culture, on the other hand, is eminently changeable. And all cultures are NOT created equal. Culture is not special. Not precious. Not above criticism. It’s just human software. Features differ. Some cultures have important components missing. It’s a fact, and we should stop tip-toeing around it. After all, culture can be changed, it just takes some courage on the part of the individual.

Don’t become a racist. Become a “culturist”.

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Nan said in October 17th, 2007 at 1:30 pm

Public discussion on issues like this are always tainted by the voices of shills from all sides. The only way we can understand what’s actually going on and have an honest discussion about the topic is to really drill deep and parse out the subtlety. What Jason said is exactly right, but if anyone were to make that kind of statement in the mainstream media or on the floor of the senate, he or she would be crucified.

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JavaLavaJoe said in October 17th, 2007 at 1:36 pm

I can understand your frustration. We have gang problems in our town too and most of the members are Latino. That said our town is also full of solid Latino families. Not all Mexicans/Latinos are gang members, bad parents or poor neighbors. I think it is wise to take each person for what they show themselves to be regardless race, religion or socio-economic status.

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Bob said in October 17th, 2007 at 2:08 pm

Sounds like you have a problem with lower class families. Not necessarily their race.

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Alejandro said in October 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

Every population has people that are uneducated and uncivilized, and usually these people live at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. Unfortunately, a large portion of the Mexicans that cross the border into the US were desperately poor and come from this background (although many are hard working decent people). It is not surprising that they behave rudely and have high rates of vandalism.

Contrast to the Cubans, immigrants who came fleeing Communism and are comprised of mostly middle-class well-educated people and professionals. They are hispanic like these Mexicans, but they are law-abiding productive people and have become quite rich. Visit Miami if you want to check it out.

Also compare to the upper and middle class Mexicans in Mexico. The point is that education and socio-economic status is what matters, not race.

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Johnny Outrageous said in October 17th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

I am impressed with MANY of these comments!

Some very well thought out posts on here.

I love hearing from you all.

It has given me a lot to think about.

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doug said in October 17th, 2007 at 3:09 pm

You’re not being a racist, just a realist. If you lived in Detroit, you’d have the same problem with the niggers.

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Peter said in October 17th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

Acknowledging the truth isn’t racism, sexism, or otherwise discrimination. Certain minority groups have much higher levels of criminal activity than others (although we don’t know whether this is cultural, otherwise environmental, or genetic). Many scientists believe that there may be intelligence differences between races. Male and female brains are physically different (ratio of black matter and white matter), and men and women have different types of intelligence (men are better at spacial reasoning, for instance, and women are better at multitasking). Dr. Watson, Nobel laureate and codiscoverer of DNA, proclaims this publicly. Larry Summers got kicked out as president of Harvard for making comments stating that male/female differences should be researched. These aren’t idiots or crackpots. These are some of our top scientific minds.

Simply acknowledging the above doesn’t make you a racist. Acting on the above doesn’t make you a racist either — there are real problems that are correlated with racial groups, and treating race as a blind spot can hinder solving them. What would make you a racist is treating individuals differently because of the above. For fairness, we want equal opportunity. Even if it were shown that blue-skinned people were, on average, genetically 10% dumber and 10% more violent than green-skinned people, there would still be a few brilliant blue-skinned people. Having an equitable society means that if someone were born blue-skinned, if that individual was a smart and as hard working as a given green-skinned person, he or she would have the exact same opportunities to succeed. People wouldn’t treat her or him differently because of the group they belonged to.

That’s the goal you should strive for. Be angry at the Mexican kids messing up your neighborhood. Be resentful of the medical benefits that your taxes pay for. Just don’t take it out on individual Mexicans. If there’s a Mexican in your community who is smart, friendly, and hardworking, treat him or her the same as your white friends. If there’s a white guy who is as violent as the Mexican vandals, treat them the same as the Mexican vandals. Do it because of who they are, rather than because of what group they belong to.

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doug said in October 17th, 2007 at 3:13 pm

You’re not being a racist, just a realist. If you lived in Detroit, you’d have the same problem with the niggers.

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maddy said in October 17th, 2007 at 4:13 pm

It seems you don’t hate ALL mexicans. it seems you only hate these mexicans.

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Beavis said in October 17th, 2007 at 4:44 pm

Phlod spelled pseudo wrong….

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Phlod said in October 17th, 2007 at 6:09 pm

Mea Culpa. Mea Maxima Culpa.

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Johnny Outrageous said in October 17th, 2007 at 9:57 pm

I certainly don’t dislike all Mexicans. I don’t think I am a racist, but I do think I can see how stereotypes are created. Prejudice is when you pre-judge someone, and I am post-judging.

It doesn’t matter what the skin color of a person is, if they behave as I outlined above, I am going to have an issue.

As Jason said, I may become a “culturist”. ;)

This is an issue, where an intellectual can spend years debating, but a common guy who doesn’t have or won’t spend time, thinking about such things, will find it easier to lump everyone into a single category.

I always wondered how racism came to be, and now I think, at least in part, I understand.

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Joe Nathan said in October 18th, 2007 at 1:51 am

Uh yeah…welcome to the real world… what’s the quote? Everyone’s a little bit racist… but in your case its entirely ok… you observe the behavior, you note the sources and you make expectations based on that…it just happens that because of the evidence you are now equating Mexicans with anti social behavior…but what can you do…that’s what you experience…

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Tony Johnson said in December 11th, 2007 at 12:56 am

What is it with Mexicans and the need to create vast smells everywhere they go? Is there a genetic flaw with their sense of smell?

Men wear a gallon of cologne and women bathe in perfume.

Their laundry smells of either super-strength dryer sheets (1 box per dryer load) or 1 bottle of strong scented fabric softener.

Hell, I can’t even go out in my yard sometimes because I can smell those dryers shooting out that stench into a 300 foot radius from their house.

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sam malone said in February 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pm

I am not really sam malone.

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